Alcibiades I, by Plato
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"Alcibiades I" from Plato. Philosopher in Classical Greece (427-347).
Alcibiades I, by Plato- Published on: 2015-03-04
- Original language: English
- Number of items: 1
- Dimensions: 9.00" h x .11" w x 6.00" l, .17 pounds
- Binding: Paperback
- 48 pages
About the Author Catalin Partenie is co-editor of Plato's Complete Works in Romanian (2001-2005).
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20 of 20 people found the following review helpful. 5 stars for Plato, 2 1/2 stars for this translation and 1 star for the Kindle editors By M. Lawrence Publishers who are turning ancient works by Plato, Aristotle and the like into Kindle books need to get something straight. It's impossible to converse about these works or make reference to a passage without the edition page numbers such as Stephanus numbers (for Plato). Please scan the Stephanus numbers, otherwise this is nearly useless. Furthermore, for most of these ancient works, which are cheap to free on Kindle, the translator is not cited. This particular translation gets across most of the meaning of the dialog, but is quite off in some places. For instances, sophro^ne^s and sophro^sune^ were both translated as 'wisdom'. It's important with Plato especially to not take any of the words in Greek for granted.
1 of 1 people found the following review helpful. The seduction of philosophy By Christopher (o.d.c.) SOCRATES: The fact is, that there is only one lover of Alcibiades the son of Cleinias; there neither is nor ever has been seemingly any other; and he is his darling,—Socrates, the son of Sophroniscus and Phaenarete.ALCIBIADES: True.SOCRATES: And did you not say, that if I had not spoken first, you were on the point of coming to me, and enquiring why I only remained? ALCIBIADES: That is true.SOCRATES: The reason was that I loved you for your own sake, whereas other men love what belongs to you; and your beauty, which is not you, is fading away, just as your true self is beginning to bloom. And I will never desert you, if you are not spoiled and deformed by the Athenian people; for the danger which I most fear is that you will become a lover of the people and will be spoiled by them.Jowett doubted this work's authenticity, and included it in an appendix to his translation of Plato. In antiquity and during the Renaissance, however, it was highly regarded (Plutarch and Shakespeare both allude to it) and its neglect in the 19th and 20th Centuries stems from a misunderstanding of the work. Jowett says:".. we have a difficulty in supposing that the same writer, who has given so profound and complex a notion of the characters both of Alcibiades and Socrates in the Symposium, should have treated them in so thin and superficial a manner in the Alcibiades, or that he would have ascribed to the ironical Socrates the rather unmeaning boast that Alcibiades could not attain the objects of his ambition without his help; or that he should have imagined that a mighty nature like his could have been reformed by a few not very conclusive words of Socrates. For the arguments by which Alcibiades is reformed are not convincing; the writer of the dialogue, whoever he was, arrives at his idealism by crooked and tortuous paths, in which many pitfalls are concealed..."To which one could start by asking, doesn't Socrates boast sound ironic? Wasn't Socrates' seduction of Alcibiades bound to be even less successful than Alcibiades' seduction of Socrates, described in the Symposium?ALCIBIADES: I suppose that I was mistaken in saying that I knew [the just and the unjust] through my own discovery of them; whereas, in truth, I learned them in the same way that other people learn.SOCRATES: So you said before, and I must again ask, of whom? Do tell me.ALCIBIADES: Of the many.SOCRATES: Do you take refuge in them? I cannot say much for your teachers.ALCIBIADES: Why, are they not able to teach?SOCRATES: They could not teach you how to play at draughts, which you would acknowledge (would you not) to be a much smaller matter than justice?ALCIBIADES: Yes.
1 of 1 people found the following review helpful. I'm actually very pleased with both editions of the same text that I ... By Stephen G This review is for both the kindle edition and the paperback printed by Dunda Books, both translated by Benjamin Jowett.I'm actually very pleased with both editions of the same text that I have. While I suppose the lack of citation numbers might trouble those using the book for purely academic purposes, for those reading it for more inward philosophical purposes, the translation itself is quite nice, and the text is very readable.Alcibiades I is largely ignored by most people these days. The textbooks I've read and courses I've attended always seem to focus on the more popular works of Plato such as the Apology, Republic, or Euthyphro. While more than a few scholars conclude Alcibiades I is not a genuine work of Plato, in the Hellenistic era it was not only regarded as genuine, but was considered the essential dialogue for beginners to read.Regardless of whether or not Plato wrote the text, it is clearly a product of his school of thought. I recommend that anyone interested in Plato, Platonism, Middle Platonism, Neoplatonism, or simply just philosophy in general read this short dialogue. It's the perfect introduction to Socrates and his famous questioning, it discusses the nature of the soul, and inspires all readers to that famous Delphic phrase, “Know Thyself.”
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